Kyle and Gunnar are joined by Thrifty Traveler Chief Flight Deal Analyst (and Domino’s elite member) Jon Shallbetter, who helps them put the 37 combined business class seats they’ve flown into tiers so you can tell what flights are worth your points and which ones may not be. From the best of the best to the experiences that are missing something to the flights that were flat-out forgettable, the guys break it all down, Qsuites to Icelandair and everything in between. Plus, they admit what they haven’t flown and Kyle and Jon reflect on their (romantic?) dinner in Qatar First Class.
Kyle and Gunnar are joined by Thrifty Traveler Chief Flight Deal Analyst (and Domino’s elite member) Jon Shallbetter, who helps them put the 37 combined business class seats they’ve flown into tiers so you can tell what flights are worth your points and which ones may not be. From the best of the best to the experiences that are missing something to the flights that were flat-out forgettable, the guys break it all down, Qsuites to Icelandair and everything in between. Plus, they admit what they haven’t flown and Kyle and Jon reflect on their (romantic?) dinner in Qatar First Class.
00:00 - Why it’s always surreal to fly business class
02:25 - Our flight deal guru Jon introduces the show!
02:45 - Tier 1: The best of the best
10:30 - Tier 2: Outstanding business classes
22:30 - Tier 3: Good, but missing something
32:42 - Sign up for Thrifty Traveler Premium to fly biz class for less!
35:20 - Tier 4: The Almost good
44:20 - Tier 5: Disappointing business class flights
52:23 - On the Spot: Jon & Kyle’s romantic Qatar First Class flight
Produced and edited by Sylvia Thomas
Video editing by Kyle Thomas
Show music: “All That” by Benjamin Tissot
Yo, welcome to the show. I'm Gunner, that's Kyle, but with us today is a very special guest. He is Thrifty Traveler, chief Flight Deal Analyst. He's found every fair that you've ever bragged about booking. He's already qualified for Domino's Pizza, titanium Elite status for 2027, a status that they had to create for him.
It's John Veter. John, welcome to the show.
Oh. Thank you. I got hungry with that introduction. Appreciate that. Worked hard for that status, by the way.
I'm surprised they haven't given you lifetime status or banned you.
It's, yeah. It could go one way or another.
It's always touch and go when John orders dominoes.
Okay. Today I've locked two of our top experts on live flat business class seats in a room with me. I'm forcing them to organize their thoughts on what business classes are the best, like what's most worth your points and money. Between the three of us in this room, I calculated that we've flown.
Business class overseas on 26 different airlines in 37 different business class seats. So my question to you guys, is this surreal to you both that we're actually doing a podcast episode like this, did you ever think that you would be flying business class to begin with? John, I'll start with you.
Uh, no, honestly, um, you know, a few years ago this, this wasn't on my radar at all.
I never thought I would have the points or the cash or anything to be upfront. So this is, you know, it's, it's quite a opportunity here to, to chat about some of the best business class products for sure.
Yeah, same. Um, maybe more importantly, I just want to note that we're all hyper aware of the fact that this could just come across as three white men bragging about flying business class.
So. While we are self-aware enough to know that going into it, we're probably not smart enough to avoid it. So just set the expectation here that we're gonna do our best. And this is Gunnar, to your point, really just about trying to steer people towards the things that are worth it. Maybe what's overhyped or not as worth it to guide people in the right direction for that amazing business class redemption or what's worth spending 2000, $4,000 on if you have that kind of money, which.
To the point of your original question, the three of us do not. John has an elite status at Domino's. He is not forking out five grand to fly business class over to Europe.
Yeah, you're right about that.
That's right. And you know, the whole point of this is that all business classes are not created equal.
So today on the show, we're gonna put these business class experiences into tier from best to worse. So you can know what's worth your points, all that and more.
This is John from Baraka Philippines. Welcome back to the Thrifty Traveler Podcast.
All right. Welcoming you back to the show this week was this man right here, John Shater from Baraka Philippines, a trip where he flew star Lux and China Airlines business classes, both of which I'm curious to see where you put into these tiers. Let's start the discussion right away. Guys. Let's start at the top.
Uh, in this tier, I'm calling the best of the best, and John, I'll start with you. What is in your top tier? Nominate an airline business class to put in your top tier.
Yeah, I gotta start at, at number one. I gotta start at Q Suites. And this is a, this is a fun one 'cause this was, I was on this flight with Kyle actually right here.
Um, this was a work trip. It was really fun. I had never flown business class before I entered Q Suites and, uh, I think I set the bar really high with Q Suites. Um, still after all these flights, I don't think anything tops Q Suites. Um. You know, the whole experience. We flew outta Dallas, so we had that, uh, flagship lounge in Dallas, which was great.
I'd never experienced anything like it. And then you board this flight and it's just these burgundy and red colors, beautiful leather seats, and I don't just the interiors. Flashy and then you get in your seat and you got that door that closes. I thought the food was super tasty. Of course, the champagne, the wine and, and the service was really great.
I actually slept for eight hours on this flight, which I've never done in a business class flight. So everything was really, really fun about Q Suites and, uh, it's tough to top in my book.
That's awesome. Any, there's been a lot of ink spilled about Q Suites over the years. Anything that you need to add, Kyle?
The, the internet does not need another mediocre white man telling you how great Qar Q Suites is now. John, John nailed it. I've, I've, that was my first time flying Q Suites was with him back in what, 2019 I
think it was. Yeah.
Um, I've flown it with myself and by my wife a couple of times since it, it can be a little bit hit, hit or miss, but it is an amazing experience, I think holistically.
It is the best in the world. And I, that's up for debate. We've got some other good contenders here, but I, I would be hard pressed to unseat this one from number one.
Yeah. You can book these with 70 to 95,000. Qatar obvious each way. I. Urge you to go check our master transfer partner guide to see how you can get those points in your account.
But all flights to North America are on Q Suites now. I don't think that they mess around with any of those two, two twos or two, three twos anymore.
There's always the chance that you're gonna get swapped out into something that's older and. And not Q Suites, but your odds are better than ever that you're gonna get one of these good rides if, and really importantly, if you can actually find the award space to book it.
This has gotten really, really hard because there are so many people who feel the way that we do and have more points than ever to book it.
All right. Q Suites is in tier one. Kyle nominate one for tier one.
I am skipping down the list with maybe a surprise, and I'm gonna admit I've got not just rose colored glasses, but.
Pink. Hello tin. Hello Kitty. Tinted glasses about EVA air. This is my favorite airline in the world. I've flown this twice with my wife. It's just there's something special about it. I do actually think that it is quite good. The seats themselves are not the most modern, certainly not the most private, but end to end from the service to the food and the onboard experience.
These have been two of my favorite flights ever. Maybe it was because it was my honeymoon. Maybe it was because of the Hello Kitty toilet paper. I don't know. I just think you can't beat it and I think it needs to be on people's radar.
Yep. These are also extremely hard seats to book 88,000 arrow plan points, and I think it's the same rate with United and Life Miles.
Correct. If you can find the award space to book these, but it is very hard. Uh, John, any other. Uh, nominations for this top tier.
I'll just before my next one, I'll just piggyback that. I didn't know if Kyle flew Eva on his, uh, honeymoon. I actually did the same thing. I flew them to the Philippines, you know, connecting in Taipei on the way.
Um, similar thoughts, uh, amazing product. I flew the Dreamliner back from, uh, Taipei to Seattle. Amazing experience, you know, beautiful interior. I, I think even the older on the, on the Triple Sevens is still a great experience too. So I love that flight. I can't agree with Kyle anymore, but. Another one in my tier one here would be the room a NA.
I know all of us have flown that. Um, amazing, amazing thing, you know, Japanese carrier, my first impression, like, you get to your seat and it feels like it's a mini sofa. It's just massive. You have so much room to, to navigate. So I sat in the middle, um, staggered rose, so I picked a row in the middle with my wife, where we're actually right next to each other.
You have more room. Between you and the aisle, you know, facing opposite directions row by row. I really liked a NA, the food was great. Japanese service was, was top tier. Um, TVs are massive. You know, the 24 inch, uh, TV was great and I drank whiskey on that flight. I'm not a big hard liquor guy, but Japanese whiskey just kind of kept coming and, and it was.
It was really fun. I, I loved that that flight
just kind of kept coming. It's really, really taken the onus off of you.
Yeah. No, no responsibility, no personal responsibility at all. It just kept showing up at your seat.
Um, I can't plus one this more, uh, for all the exact same reasons you said, happiest I've ever been on an airplane was a and a the room.
Uh, watch out. When you're booking this, um, one, it's extremely hard to book. Now, the best way to do it is with Virgin Points. You can book it from 52,500 Virgin Points from the West Coast, uh, 60,000 from the East Coast in Chicago. Um, a and a Miles a hundred thousand a, a and a miles round trip. Um, this is also extremely hard to book, especially with Virgin.
It's become nearly impossible and you have to watch out for the different aircraft types because you want that triple seven. 300 er, which has the room suites, but there are lots of other seven, seven sevens that don't have it. So you gotta be very careful. Look at your seat maps, use a lopa, but plus one on the room.
I think we've all flown that, right?
Yeah, that's, I think the seat itself is far and away the single best thing in business class in the sky, and I don't think that that's up for discussion. I think it's the other things where it may fall short, and I think this is a prime reason why for me, Qatar and EVA are my number two, because there is no first class cabin.
On the Qatar Q Suites planes, there is no first class cabin period with EVA, which means you get the best that those airlines offer with a NA. There still is that first class cabin. So it's like they're saving things for those eight people in the fanciest seat upfront, which means the service and the food just isn't quite on the level that you're gonna get with some other carriers.
But the seed itself alone, it merits a spot on this list.
Yep. You guys nailed it. John, any other nominations for tier one?
All right. I got a wild card here. Some people might not agree with me, but, um, recency bias flew this last month, star Lux. Um, I flew them Los Angeles to Taipei. Um, amazing experience.
Very futuristic, galaxy themed interior. Uh, just beautiful. The orange and gray and black and copper tones. Everywhere you look, this massive 24 inch tv similar to a NA, um, service was great. The, the seat's just massive and I thought. The, my favorite part of Tarbucks, they have a zero gravity feature on their seats.
So like, they, they took some information from nasa, they, you know, and they looked at this and you're actually, your, your knees and your feet are slightly elevated above your heart. So I felt like no pressure points. I slept so well on Tarbucks. It was, it was a really fun time.
And the whiskey just kept coming.
You know,
the whiskey kept coming. Um, yeah.
For some reason you're getting targeted by flight attendants. They're like the, just send this guy a few more whiskeys.
A domino's and whiskey potent combination.
You, I assume you booked this with Alaska Atmos. You can book it for 75,000 or 85,000 Alaska Atmos and Starbucks flies from LAX.
Phoenix and Seattle.
And San Francisco
and San
Francisco, Ontario. Yeah.
Oh right. And Ontario. I forgot about that. Ontario airport. Um, alright, that rounds out. Tier one. That's a NA, the room. It's Qatar Q Suites. It's Star Luck. And that's Eva Air. Is that a solid tier one? Those are the best of the best. We agree.
We like those.
All right. Let's go on to tier two. Uh, I'm calling this outstanding business classes. This, these are excellent, if not exceptional experiences that haven't reached that maybe perfect status or have that like special feeling like these top ones. Um, Kyle, why don't you start with this tier nominated airline for us?
I think Turkish Airlines does business class really well. I think a lot of people would say only on the Dreamliner or the newer, a three fifties, not on their triple sevens or their Airbus a three thirties. I haven't flown those older cabins myself, so I, I can't say that I've only flown the Dreamliner, which is great.
The be the best thing about Turkish is the food. I think the, the catering is some of the best that you're gonna get in business class again, like. Touched on before, with both EVA and Qatar, there is not a Turkish first, uh, first class cabin, so you're getting the best that Turkish has to offer. And it's, you know, the selection of entrees, the selection of appetizers.
It's all very, very high quality, but also very Turkish. It's, it's, your trip to Istanbul is really starting. In O'Hare of all places. From the moment you step on board and you start getting that lunch service with a dedicated soup and salad course, they just do catering in a, in a dedicated, really high quality way that very few airlines can match in business class.
Yep. You book these with 65,000 Turkish. Miles and Smiles, I believe is what their program is called.
What a name
Outstanding. Always smiling on Turkish. I did fly one of their old ones, uh, the old Turkish, uh, product that, not the sweets. Um, when it's, you know, a 2, 3, 2 and I think the soft. Product is what we call the soft product, which is like the service and just kinda the onboard experience and the dining and the lounges.
I think those things made that experience so good. Even though we weren't in the fancy seats. My wife and I really, really liked Turkish. John, do you have any nominations for outstanding business classes? Tier,
yeah. Outstanding. Um, you know, same trip as Starbucks, but flying home I flew China Airlines. Um.
Really impressed with, with that experience. You know, like right when I boarded, you know, sat down, got, got comfy in my seat, um, you know, like a crew manager came up to me. My name, my name is, you know, this, I'm, I'm happy to help. Whatever you need. Just, just kind of going above and beyond from the start. I mean, first impressions of the cabinet, it's just elegant, it's beautiful color tones, grays and browns and, and whites and these, these accent lamps on every table.
Um, China Airlines was great. Food was good, you know. Uh, drinks were awesome. Good lounges out of Taipei too. Three China Airlines lounges I could choose from. I actually went into all of them and they were all really nice. I had some time to kill in Taipei. Um, just a really, a solid experience. I, I kind of felt like it, it aged like a fine wine.
It was kind of an older aircraft, but just still beautiful. I slept quite a bit on that flight too, and, and I really love China Airlines. Great option to and from Taipei.
Just the photos do look elegant, like that's the first thing that you notice. Is, it just looks, it looks fancy. It looks too way too fancy for us.
That lamp in the corner of the seat with like the gold finish, it's, yeah, it just looks really nice. I just wanna point out. Taiwan has three global carriers and all three of them are at or near the top of the list of our, of our business class rankings here, which is really, really impressive. And Taiwan is not on a lot of people's list.
I think, you know, for those who have been, which unfortunately is not, is not me yet, would say it should be. But regardless, it's a great place to connect through to get to your final destination. Really anywhere in Asia.
Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. China Airlines is bookable for 62,000 to 73,000 flying blue miles each way.
I believe that's still the best way to snag those seats. Kyle, another nomination for outstanding business classes from you.
A, again, at the risk of sounding like an out of touch, uh, privileged male, a lot of business class to Europe and back kind of blends together. They use the same catering, they use the same seat manufacturers.
They might be in different colors and with different finishes, but it, they're all, you get more or less the same experience, so. I'm putting JetBlue mint Suites on this list. This quickly became my favorite way ever of getting to Europe because it's so different. You're on a narrow body plane. So instead of there being 1, 2, 1 with direct aisle access in business class, there's just one row on the left side of the plane and one row on the right and a center aisle.
The I, I think that these seats are great. Uh, more importantly, JetBlue has done a great. Job in differentiating the seats with cool features, like there's a laptop tray underneath the monitor so that when you're done working, you just stick it in there and you can forget about it and hopefully not leave it on board.
I didn't do that. Let the record show. But most importantly, the food is incredible and it's different. It tastes different. It looks different. It's creative. It's just really fun and has a different vibe that really fits JetBlue and that makes those longer trips to Europe in a life flat seat. Really, really cool.
So, I know you both have flown the other Jet Blue Min, the older jet Blue Min. What, what kind of distinguishes the suites from the older version?
Just much newer, uh, 100% direct aisle access. So you never have to worry about getting seated next to a neighbor or having to crawl over them to go use the bathroom.
Uh, all the technology is so much newer. I mean, they've got, I think, 17 or 18 inch HD screens at every seat. You can pair your Bluetooth headphones. There's wireless phone charging at. Each seat. It's, it's really nice.
Awesome. Okay. Um, you can book JetBlue Min Suites with Cash. Sometimes they run sales where you can book these round trip to Europe under $2,000, um, or 78,000 Qatar obvious each way from the East Coast to Europe as well.
You can also book 'em with Etti. Had guest miles for much more. Uh, John a nomination from you for another outstanding business class.
Yeah, I got a, a good one here. Latam. I had a chance to fly their mini suites to Buenos Aires. Uh, early December I went with my wife, had a great time. Was actually on their inaugural flight outta Miami.
Um, really kind of. Oh, awesome experience to start. So at the gate for an inaugural, like they do for other airlines, kind of a lot of pageantry and there was tango dancing at the gate, which is, was kind of cool. They had music going and, and a lot of people, you know, balloons, cake, whatnot. A lot of executives.
So fun way to start, you know, on the aircraft, just another, you know. Beautiful cabinets. Um, their tables, they almost look like soap stone black with, uh, you know, white veins. Just gorgeous interior, uh, you know, gray and leather seats, very comfortable. Food was really, really good. I liked it, kind of simple, um, meats and potatoes and veggies, but I thought it was great, something that stood out.
Uh, so we flew it in both directions. Something stood out. The service went a long way on the way home. We had a flight attendant that was just hilarious. Um, instead of whiskey, this time it was wine. And he kept, kept pouring my wife and I too much wine. We weren't even asking for it, but just a funny guy kept bringing out food and wine and overall, you know, beautiful, uh, four, 4K monitors.
Um, just, just an awesome way to fly to, um, to Argentina for sure.
Really cool. I'm, I'm excited about that one. To hopefully sample that someday. Book that one with Japan Airlines. Mileage Bank points for 60,000 points each way, or, or 85,000 round trip. We love that. Japan Airlines math. Um, you can also book these with Virgin or Finn Air.
For a little bit more as well. Kyle, a nomination from you.
I'm gonna do a two fur here 'cause I, I don't, I think others here may have this on a, in a lower tier Singapore Airlines on any of their planes, um, and Japan Airlines. Probably on any of their planes, but definitely on their new Airbus A three 50, which I have not flown.
I think once I fly that and I'm dead set on doing it, it's gonna go immediately into the best of the best. But even on their triple sevens and their Dreamliners. There's so much privacy, there's so much personal space. I think the business class catering, especially their Japanese set menus that you can get flying gel business class is just really good and fun and very Japanese.
Um, the service in my experience has always been great. This is my favorite way to fly to Tokyo and back, and whenever I get the chance to book that new a three 50, I'm on it.
Yep. John, you have Japan Airlines business class in your next tier down. Talk about it. Why?
I I, I agree with everything Kyle said.
So this, I'm a little jaded here with this, so I actually had the, a three 50 booked and, uh, a snow a snowstorm moved into, to New York City and, and my flight got canceled. So I was, I was put on a 7, 7 7 on the next flight. But, uh, still a, you know, overall great experience. Kyle hit, hit the nail on the head there with, with the catering, the food.
Just, just awesome. Really good stuff. Um, I, the seat layout threw me off a little bit when I got on there. The 2, 3, 2, just a lot of things going on at once. And you're sitting next to the aisle, but you can't really see out the window and you might have a stranger next to you and. There's an interesting pathway in and out of those window seats.
So a little bit different of a seat layout, but I, I can't argue with a Japanese carrier. It's, um, also very looking forward to, to get on that a three 50 again when I can.
Yeah, absolutely. You wanna nominate another one for outstanding business classes.
Yeah, we'll give it a shot. Let's do, um, Luton's. Uh, Allegis had the chance to fly this a couple summers ago, kind of shortly after it started operating Some cool things about Allegis.
Um, you know, especially the seat, there was a heating and cooling feature on the seat, which I can't say I've seen anywhere else. You could actually feel. The seat got pretty warm and it did get pretty cold when you, when you adjusted the, um. The system. So that was cool. Um, I sat in row eight, which was one of the, the front row seats.
And I had, it was basically an in, uh, enclosed suite. Um, I had a closet, I had a spot for my shoes. I had a massive tv. Uh. I like the simple catering. I liked the pretzels and the cheese and, and the beef and just kind of, it was a really good flight. I did, um, Montreal to Munich and overall, you know, new aircraft.
I know Swiss is coming out with some similar concepts to Allegis here, uh, very soon. But I loved Allegis. I thought it was really fun.
Yep. Allegis, you can book for 60 to 90,000. A, uh, air Canada Aeroplan points each way. You can also book with life Miles and United for a little bit more. Uh, the same thing for Swiss senses, like you said, which is something that we, none of us have ever flown.
I love Swiss. I would put Swiss's other business class into this category as well. Can I nominate one to fi to close out here? Outstanding. What if
I said no?
I don't, I don't know.
This isn't your show, man.
This isn't my review. Um. Thin air. Uh, John, you and I have both flown this, I I this a three 50 with these brand new seats that don't recline, but they're just kind of big open shells and you get lots of pillows so you can kind of create your own recline and there's no, you know, there's not like a big, um.
Mechanical feature that reclines you or anything, it's just one little leg pop up and it turns into this massive bed. I just flew this with my infant and there was plenty of space for both of us. Um, I really enjoyed this experience. Again, the service was also really good and the lounge in Helsinki was really, really fine too.
I like that a lot. Anything else to add on thin air?
I think, yeah, I think you nailed it. I, I just, when you walk in there, just the shell around the seat is massive in this big blue plush cushioning everywhere you look. I, I think they're onto something. I believe a and a is, uh, looking at, at adding some of these type of seats and, and some of their future interior.
So the simpler, the better. You know, you just pop up, that leg rests and it turns into a live flat seat. I really liked Finnair. I thought it was fun.
Yep, really good. You can book those for 63,000 Finnair Avios. Uh, which you can transfer in from so many airlines each way, or 85,000 to a hundred thousand round trip if you book with Japan Airlines.
Okay, let's move on to tier three, which is good. But missing something. That's what I'm calling this tier. So these are the business class seats that are, you know, close to being great, but maybe have one flaw or two. John, I'll go back to you to start this section off. Do you have a nomination for good but missing something?
Yeah, I'll, I'll throw Condor into this tier. Um. A lot of excitement. You know, a couple years ago when you could fly this outta Minneapolis, I'd argue one of the coolest ways to get to Europe from MSP, um, condor, interesting airline, you know, that beach towel concept paint job on the exterior, interior, a little bland, but you know, al also kind of nice at the same time, just the kind of dark navys and grays with.
With, uh, the striped, uh, stuff on the, on the top of the seat. Um, decent force, you know, 4K monitor, um, with Bluetooth activity there. Um, but I just, um, I don't, I think it just kind of lacked some service, lacked attention to detail. I mean, it was a decent way to get to Frankfurt, but I just, I felt like it was missing something.
I'm not quite sure.
Yeah, I think the Condor interiors look really, really good. You can book those for 45 to 55,000 Alaska atmos each way a little bit more. If you book with JetBlue and Emirates, Kyle, a nomination from you for good, but missing something.
I'm going Delta one business class, and the main thing it's missing is consistency.
If you are lucky enough, and fortunately it's getting easier to make your way onto an Airbus a three 50 or an Airbus, a 3 3900 Neo with Delta one Suites on board their newest and best seat with a, a closing door, which I, I think is a little bit overrated, especially on these planes 'cause I think it does really come at the expense of additional space.
But it's so much better than every other Delta. Cabin, especially on the older, A three thirties and the Boeing seven 60 sevens. If you wind up in one of those, it is a drastically different experience and if Delta can continue to make it a more consistent and predictable that you're gonna get a Delta one suite.
This could be higher. That said, I do still think the Delta one suites are missing something. I think they were cutting edge when they came out, you know, in like 20 17, 20 26. This is what every airline is doing now, and I don't know that these stand out nearly as much as they used to. I also, in my experience, the seats themselves, especially on the Airbus A three 50, are really, really hard.
You know, my wife and I flew this home from Australia a couple years ago. And about 90 minutes into the flight, which was a 14 hour flight, I was like, man, I'm like feeling this seat on my back. And again, we are in prime complaining about business class territory here, but these are the things that really matter and why it's important for us.
First and foremost, and most importantly, appreciate how cool it is that we get to do this at all, let alone as a part of our jobs. But also it's important to be discerning and tell people, Hey, this is what you need to think about. If you have a choice between flying Delta one or one of the other airlines, that we might rate higher on this list, especially when it comes to.
The normal cost of flying Delta one,
which is typically if you book with sky miles from about a hundred thousand sky miles each way. If you get it during a flash sale, uh, more likely you're gonna find round trip pricing, especially when you're going to places like Europe, uh, closer to like 200,000 round trip.
Uh, we found one South America recently to Chile for 170,000 sky miles round trip, but that's kind of your best bet for booking Delta one, the old Virgin workaround is. Pretty much dead. I would say at this point. If we find maybe one a year, it's really tough to do that. Uh, John, any nominations from you for good, but missing something?
Yeah, another one. This might surprise some people. It, I mean, it surprised me when I flew at Singapore Airlines, and I'm kind of picking up on, on something Kyle just mentioned here. Important to be honest about these reviews. I, I remember we have a review on the site I put together after this, and I, I was talking to Kyle and I'm kind of like, is it okay if I like, kind of talk down on this era, like.
There were a lot of things I think they missed on this. So I flew Frankfurt to JFK and I just felt like I had such high expectations for Singapore Airlines. I threw the a, uh, flew the A three 80 and I just, I went into it thinking, oh my God, this is gonna be amazing. You know, five star airline, fifth freedom route.
It's just gonna be, it's gonna be a great experience. The food's gonna. Be perfect, everything else. And I get in there and it just seemed really dated. It seemed really old. The seats were kind of beat up. Um, the service, I, I kind of just felt neglected, honestly. Like they dropped off the food and they're like, okay, bye.
And, um, didn't really, uh, come back much at all. And um, you know, I think one of my favorite parts of flying the A three 80 was being able to watch the movie. The whale while flying the whale, so I can check that off my bucket list. Um, but the food just, uh, I mean, the chicken was cold. It was just, I, I was kind of like, man, if, if somebody spent three grand cash on this I'd, I'd walk away thinking, oh man, that, that was a really tough one to swallow.
Yeah. Yeah, that's good perspective on it. I always think about that when I'm flying business class, like someone probably paid five grand to be here, and how is that experience for that person versus me who feels like they're stealing it by using points and miles.
I, I think it's also important to stress, and John, you, you recognize this, this was your experience and that's all you can draw on.
I've, I've had a great experience flying Singapore, but all it takes is one screw up to really. Make or break a flight. And the biggest differentiator, like your seat can be the best thing in the world, the newest, the most comfortable. If the service is off that just that day or the one flight attendant that you so happened to have, that can really degrade the entire experience.
And that's clearly the case that John had. Which, you know, on the one hand, that doesn't mean that Singapore Airlines business class is bad. Certainly doesn't, yeah, that's not what John said. But if you paid. 90,000 miles or $5,000 and that's what you get. It's up to the airlines to make sure that every flight is consistent and high quality.
And I think generally speaking, Singapore is well known for doing that. But even the best airlines screw up sometimes.
Yeah. Okay. Um, I have three quick nominations to close out this good, but missing something category, uh, number one would be. Iberia, I flew the brand new A 3 21 XLR, their newest one. I thought the seat was excellent.
Like Kyle said about JetBlue, mint suites, I think the narrow body business class experience when it's all direct aisle access is really, really good. I think the service was really good because there are only 14 seats on that plane. Uh, I felt very special. I thought the seat was extremely spacious and very private, and, um, I thought the, you know, the food was fine.
Uh, the food didn't blow me away and the. Lounge in Madrid isn't anything super luxurious or special there either. Um, and, you know, Iberia's running more or less shorter flights, so their business class doesn't need to be extravagant or as John put it, like elegant. Um, but I really liked Iberia the older, a three thirties.
Um. Or something, you know, to be aware of, maybe, uh, those are a very different experience. I know Kyle, you've flown those, but you can book Iberia Business Class 41,000 to 51,000, uh, Iberia Avios in Off Peak, 59,000 to 89,000, uh, at peak times for that one. Um, first Kyle, anything to add on? Iberia,
I think even their older planes are great, mainly because the price is right.
It's one of the cheapest, most, more reliable ways to. Get across the Atlantic in a live flat sea. I also personally have only had great experiences with the food on board. I know some people say that the both the food and the service can be substandard. This one would be really close for me, going up to that second tier of outstanding, again, mainly because.
Prices, right?
Yeah. I think maybe originating in the US if you get access to the AA flagship lounges, if you're flying from one of those, that would make it a little better. But, um, okay. Anyway, another one I have in good, but missing something. Uh, cafe Pacific. Um, I'm not talking about the new Aria Suites, which look.
So, so awesome and I can't wait to sample those. I'm talking about their other, uh, business class, which is all direct dial access. It was really good. I thought the service and the soft product, the lounges in Hong Kong were so good. I thought the service on board was incredible. The food was awesome too.
Um, I did order the soup and they had to stop. Uh, serving soup because of some turbulence at one point. And they were apologizing to me profusely. Like, like they had, yeah, it was, uh, the surface was almost too good. Uh, they, they kept coming by to apologize for not bringing me my soup. I was like, please don't hand me a bowl of soup.
You're doing the right thing. You
don't worry about the soup. I'm wearing sweatpants. I'm gonna be fine. Bring me a whiskey instead.
Yeah. Right. Um, but I thought. Cafe, the seats were beat up. It was an old, old product. Um, I think that, you know, a refresh like the Aria Suites coming is exactly what they need.
Um, but CAFE was excellent except for that. And then have we all flown United Polaris between the three of us? I have not. You have not. Um, I would nominate United Polaris as one, the anti delta in that the consistency of the business class product is excellent. I mean, it's essentially. Cookie cutter on every single one of their planes.
You know exactly what you're getting when you book a Polaris seat. I think the seat itself and everything about it is really nice, and I think it falls short in catering for the most part. And that's something that you pointed out when you first flew a Kyle?
Yeah, it's, it's been years since I've flown United Polaris.
Uh, I will never forget getting, uh, an appetizer with. Smoked salmon and watermelon in it. It was, it was edible. I'll give it that. It was just trying too hard and not good enough to, to really pull off and that, I think that's what the knock against a lot of United and their catering has been by all accounts.
And I think you would vouch for this because you've flown them just within the, what, the last year or so? The, the food has come a long way, but still has a ways to go.
I thought it was much, much better last time I flew it. Um. So I, I, I enjoy United Polaris. You know exactly what you are getting. Okay. We have two more smaller tiers to go.
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Probably still worth it, but just missing quite a bit. Not missing one thing. Missing quite a bit. Um. Kyle nominated almost good business class.
This, this might be controversial, I think, Emirates, for two reasons. One, if you're on an A three 80, it's pretty good. If you're not, it's pretty bad way out of date, and it is way out of date because two Emirates is all about first class.
That means that you, I think you're just gonna wind up feeling like you get short shrift in Emirates business class compared to some of the other airlines that are higher on this list. Now, this does not mean Emirates business class is bad. It is not. It is still a very, very good experience. The seats are comfortable, the technology, and especially the onboard entertainment with like thousands of movies is.
Pretty cool. And if you're on an A three 80, even in business class, you get to go back to the bar at the back of the upper deck, which is a really, really cool experience. I don't want to knock it. I just, I think even if you haven't flown Emirate's first class, you feel a. Like, there's something better in front of you.
Yeah. Um, you can book Emirates business class with Japan Airlines is actually the best way to book it now. Uh, for 60,000 Japan Airlines miles each way, or 85,000 round trip. You can book it with Emirates as well for 108,000 round trip. Uh, and you can book it with Qantas as well, uh, to Dubai. It's gonna be a lot more, uh, but that we're talking about the fifth Freedom flights to Europe, to Milan and Athens specifically is where you're gonna get kinda the best value for Emirates.
Um, I'm gonna nominate one, uh, for the almost good category. Tap air Portugal. It was my first ever business class flight on the A 3 3900 Neo. Um, the seat is totally fine. Uh, regular business class seat. I found it very comfortable. I was very impressed with all the business class bells and whistles, including socks.
I messaged all my coworkers right away to say, I can't believe you get socks when you fly business class. So
you're so jaded now. All it took was socks before to impress you.
I know, but with the novelty kinda worn off and having flown other business classes, I, you know, I think the food I thought was.
Excellent. Uh, the wine was especially good. I remember having port on board, uh, which is just such a great way to put yourself to sleep after a good business class meal. But, um, I just thought it was pretty unexceptional service wise. It was kind of one of those things where it was like. Where's, where's, where's my flight attendant?
It's been a few hours. Um, and I've also flew outta JFK where they don't have any lounge access at all. There's no lounge in that terminal period. So that may have, um, missed it for me too. The best way to book tap is with 50,000 a and a miles. Uh, you can also book with Life Miles or United for a little bit more.
Uh, John, do you have any. Nominations for almost good.
Yeah, I just, I wanna highlight something there. I, uh, about your, your socks on tap air Portugal. I didn't know the quad God like socks so much. So that's, that's great. Almost good for me. Um, this is another, um. Aircraft that I flew with Kyle years ago. Uh, JetBlue, mint.
We flew, uh, what'd we do? Boston to Las Vegas years ago. Um, I, I, you know, I thought it was, it was pretty cool, but they, they felt short in some areas, especially the seat. I, I think, you know, the middle partition, especially if you were sitting next to a stranger. Really no privacy there. I just felt like the seats were a little dated from the start.
Uh, the food was good, but just kind of missing some things overall. Really fun way to go, uh, transcontinental or Caribbean. But Kyle, do you have any thoughts on Mint?
Yeah, that's where I'd put this as well. I, I love JetBlue main suites, the ones that you fly on some transcontinental routes across the country here in the us but always over to Europe.
It's one of my favorites. This one, it, it just feels pretty out of date. Um, I think that's, that's enough.
Yeah. Kyle nominated another almost good business class.
You know, I, I really. SAS business class or sas? I don't, I don't know how you're supposed to say it. Who cares? Uh, surprise me. I, I wasn't expecting to, to genuinely enjoy it.
I thought the service was quite good, but it, it kind of feels stuck in a different era compared to what every other airline in the world is doing with business class these days. The, the seats are, are quite old. They're pretty comfortable. But they're, they're quite old. They're, there's very, very little privacy.
Not only are there are no doors, which again, I think are overhyped, but the seats themselves are built really, really low. So you can see everybody from your seat, everybody in front of you, and it's not that hard to see everybody behind you too. So I, I like it. It's a great way to get to Copenhagen if that's your nonstop option.
But if there are other nonstops to get you to that corner of Scandinavia, I think you can do better than SAS.
Yeah. Um, another one from you, Kyle and I, I think you have a couple in this category, so nominated another almost good business class.
Uh, er, Tahiti Nui. My wife and I flew this from LA to Tahiti a couple years ago as a part of a bigger trip from, uh, the United States to Bora Bora, New Zealand, Australia, and then home.
And it is a good way to get nonstop to paradise. It's actually really fun. On board there, it has that Tahitian vibe from the catering to the service. Um, you know, everybody on board is wearing like floral shirts, all the, all the staff. It's, it's really, really fun. But it is an outdated business class cabin.
So. I think it's a good way to get to Tahiti if that's what you can do. You can book this for, I think, 60,000 Alaska miles each way and, and finding award space to do that is not the hardest thing in the world. But you can also, you know, you can fly Air France business class on these same routes. You can fly United Polaris on these same routes.
I think both of those would be a much better experience in large part because it's 2, 2, 2 in business class, which is. Fine for, you know, if you're traveling with a companion to Tahiti, I don't think there's a lot of businessmen that are traveling to Tahiti for a meeting, um, in Bora Bora or moa, but, uh, it just, it felt pretty outta date.
Yeah. 60,000 Alaska miles each way. Is that still the pricing on that one? I believe it is. Should be so pretty. Good deal. Um, as well. Uh, Kyle, try not to hurt my feelings here. I'm hoping to fly Air Lingus to Europe soon. Why does Air Lingus on your almost good tier?
I, I really liked Air Lingus, so I, I don't wanna steer people away from it.
I think Air Lingus could well be higher on this list if only because there are so many nonstop options to get you to Dublin. I think they fly to almost 20 US and Canadian cities, but. Their, their business class is, again, just from a different era. There are a lot of seats on board where you're not gonna have direct aisle access.
You're going to have to step over either your companion or a complete stranger in order to use the business class or lavatory if you're in one of the seats along the window. So I think you just need to know what you're getting into. With this flight, I, I could push this a little bit higher, but I think this is a good spot for it.
Yeah, I would agree. Um, 45,000 to 70,000 Alaska Atmos, you can get that 45,000 rate if you book a connection to Europe when you book with Alaska Atmos. So when you book that like short connection to London, for instance, it goes from 55,000 for the nonstop to 45,000 to add the connection, which is what I'm hoping to do.
Any day now when my space opens up. Um, alright, we have a little bit of disagreement on this one. So let's talk about Virgin business class, which Kyle has in this category of almost good. And John has in disappointing. So, Kyle, I'll let you go first on this one.
I think Virgin is really fun. Um, the crews are very cheeky British, which I, I really like.
I was expecting to like the. They're a 3 30, 900 Neo, the ones with suites, again, with doors much more than I did, but this is the quintessential example of doors can really be a crutch. I think that this business class cabin shouldn't have had them because you know, as I was going to sleep on this flight to London, I was like, man, I feel really cramped inside of this seat.
And a couple of, not even a year later, my wife and I threw. Flew their a three 50 business class, which I liked a lot more, even though the seat setup is less modern, a little bit goofy. It was just a, a better experience. So I could really go either way with this one, but I'm curious why John would have this on the disappointing list.
I felt, I felt like the seats were just kind of really bulky. I felt like there was just a lot of space wasted. I, I flew the A three 50, um, JFK to London. I, I just. I, I, I had higher expectations. I thought it'd be a little more polished, a little more fun. Um, and, and interesting you say about the flight attendants being cheeky, I guess, I guess maybe I took it the wrong way.
I was expecting better service. They're kinda like, here you go mate. See ya. Um, so I, I mean it was, I flew with them with my wife outta JFK. My favorite part of this experience was the Delta one lounge in JFK and, um. You know, have dining served to you and massage everything else. You know, a, a great addition to, to flying Virgin Atlantic to London.
Got a little banged up, as Gunner would say. Um, but I just, I, I don't know, it's kind of, it's such a short flight and I, I had higher expectations and you get on there and it's kind of like everything's pink and purple and I don't know where to look. And it was kind of just like, I don't know. I, I thought it'd be a lot better, and it was just really quick and I felt like the service was rushed and the food was.
Subpar. I was, I hope I, I thought I'd get more. I mean, the price was right though. So very, very few virgin miles to, to push out to, to get that flight.
You can also miss really bad on aircraft type with Virgin Atlantic. They have that really funky, uh, Dreamliner business class set up where everyone. Feet are in the aisles together, and you can see everyone's feet, the, the tootsies flight, as I like to call it, weird one,
and, and really, really narrow seats too.
Yeah. People, people refer to this as like a, a coffin class.
Yeah.
So yeah, it, the A three 50, uh, my personal ranking would be a three 50. A three 30 Neo. And then the Dreamliners and their a three thirties are, are both really old with those really old, old business class seats that you'll probably wanna avoid.
You can book Virgin Atlantic Business class to London or the UK for 29, from 29,000. Uh, Virgin Atlantic points each way up to like 35,000 Virgin Atlantic points each way, but they dynamically price those, so it could be much higher when you look if you decide to do that. Um, Kyle, any other disappointing business classes that you'd like to nominate?
You know, John raved about how great the new Lufthansa Allegra seats are. Those are still on fairly few Lufthansa. Uh, routes, at least to and from the United States, and most of the rest of their fleet is real old. Um, 2, 2, 2. In business class. I was lucky enough that when I flew this, I didn't have a neighbor next to me.
Had that happened, it would've been, I would've. This would've been even further than just disappointing. I, I lucked out on that one. But everything including, you know, the catering and the service just kind of felt really ho hummed compared to basically everything else that we've talked about so far.
There was just really not a whole lot that was memorable about it. I. Wrote a review when I took this flight years ago now, and I think the title of it was fine, but Forgettable. Mm-hmm. It's a live flat seat. It's pretty comfortable. I'm never gonna complain about that, but you can do so much better than you know, some of the business class that you find on their seven 40 sevens, on their Dreamliners, on their triple sevens.
There's, there's better out there.
Yeah, absolutely. Okay. One last nomination for me in the disappointing category is Icelandair Saga business class, which is quote business class. It is business class in name only. These are just first class recliners. Um, they're, I'll give 'em a little extra credit than that.
They, they do have like the leg rests and things like that, but these are not live flat seats. They're not suites, they're nothing close to it. It's, uh, you know, tutu across the front of their narrow bodies. And it's, uh. 2 1 2 on their seven 60 sevens with that kind of island seat in the middle. So funny.
Which the funniest seat ever, especially during boarding when you have people walking by you on both sides. I think the soft product on this was actually really good. I thought the service was awesome. They have a, a gin tasting menu that can get you banged up in a hurry if you're not careful. Uh, but it's, uh, I thought everything about.
Iceland Air Saga was really nice. I think their saga lounge in Iceland is excellent too, but other than that, this is just not business class. So, uh, I, this is why it's in my disappointing category.
I think if you went into it not expecting business class, but premium economy, you would be thrilled for sure.
And that's a, I think that's a through line for everything that you're talk that we're talking about here is that expectations are everything. And that, I think that's kind of what we're trying to help people with is set some expectations about what's really the best and what might. You might need to adjust your expectations and I to going into,
sorry Kyle, I always thought you were Team Iceland Gunner Stall.
So kind of surprised me with that one.
I'm definitely Team Iceland and I, and you know what the nice part is that Iceland Air does have saga on almost all of its flights, so you'll connect. Avi, and then if you're connecting on to Scandinavia or down into Europe, you're gonna be on saga for all le all the legs of the flight.
Um, some of their short connections like the Greenland and the Faroh Islands flights do not have it. Um, but those are run by subsidiary airlines. But, uh, I, I like Dys Dare Saga as just decidedly not business class. So it codes into our last category there. Um, really quickly, if you are. Punching your steering wheel because we didn't mention your favorite business class.
We put together a little list of airlines that we have, not our business classes we have not flown, that includes American Airlines. Somehow, uh, none of us have ever flown American business class. Um, Hawaiian first class, which I'm actually gonna tick off next month. Um, of course, our. Coworker Peter has flown both of these before, so you can look at the reviews on our website if you wanna check those out.
The new Japan Airlines business class, I think we all agree would be number one with a bullet on our, our business class bucket lists. Um, some of the other Emirates business classes, uh, the, the new Cafe Aria Suites. Um, we haven't flown Swiss senses, but Lufthansa Allegis is essentially the same thing, so we'd just be a switching of the kind of soft product, the service there.
Uh, Etihad business class, we have not flown, um, zip airs, live flat seats, which I wouldn't actually call a business class. Um, and then some European carriers, like British Airways, we have not flown their business class. Uh, air Serbia, lot, Polish, discover Edelweiss, Royal Air, Mor Rock, uh, not European, but transatlantic close.
Close, uh, any others that we missed that we have not flown? If people out there are asking why we missed their favorite,
I don't think anybody is listening to this and saying, these guys haven't flown enough business class. We just talked for like 55 minutes about all the business class we've flown.
That's true. Okay, so. Just a quick recap. The best of the best tier, we had a NA, the room. We had Qatar Q Suites. We had star Lux and we had EVA Air in outstanding business classes. We had Finn Air, Swiss, China Airlines, Lufthansa, Allegis, latam, Turkish Jet Blue Mint Suites, uh, Japan Airlines, although there's some disagreement on that.
And Singapore Airlines also just an agreement there in the good, but missing something. We had Cafe Pacific, United, Polaris, Iberia. Uh, Singapore Condor and Delta One. And then in Almost good we had tap the old Jet Blue Mint Air, Tahiti Nui. SAS, Emirates, Virgin and Lingus. And finally disappointing. We had Virgin Atlantic, Iceland Air and Non Allegis.
Lufthansa. How do we feel about the list?
I feel like it's a good list. I, I feel, you know, I learned a lot here from, from both of you that I, I didn't know before. I think Kyle's point about first class versus a business class, just the service discrepancy. It, it's a really interesting take, and I know you've flown both cabins on some of these aircraft before too, Kyle.
I, uh, I think if you want a really, really great business class experience, one of the best things that you can do is fly an airline that doesn't offer first class because then you know you're getting the best and they generally do more. They give you more, they give you more amenities. They do more for dining than they do it for airlines like a and a and Japan Airlines and Emirates that do offer a dedicated first class cabin because they have to.
Yeah. I'm curious listeners, how you think we did on this. Uh, what airlines did we have too high? What, what seats were too low? We'd love to hear from you. Hit us up at podcast@thriftytraveler.com and we might feature your feedback on next week's show. Give us your tiers too, and if someone can make us a cool graphic, that would be awesome as well.
Um. It's on the spot and I'm putting you guys on the spot. Why? 'cause that's what I decided. Are you ready? Okay. A few weeks ago, um, we had a listener write in with, uh, the initials game. Uh, have you flown to the airport that your initials are? Um, just to recap, mine was Greensboro, uh, GSO Kyle's KGP is. Kalem in Siberia, Russia.
John, we looked yours up. Your middle name is Bans with a B John Ban. Sbe. That's JBS. Do you know what JBS airport is?
I can't say I do.
Oh, it's a doozy. It is Sao Borja Airport, right on the Argentina, Brazil border on the Uruguay River in the state of Rio Gradin. Doul. It is remote. There is no commercial service there.
It is one of the most remote airstrips I've ever seen. And that is your initials airport, John. But that, that's not our on the spot. Um. We're talking about business classes today, but I seem to recall that you both once shared a very intimate first class flight together. Uh, we'll show the picture on our YouTube.
It's a must see. Um, can you tell me and the listener the story of this particular adventure? This was in the before Gunner era of Thrifty Traveler, so I don't know if I know this story in totality. Please tell me.
This is really core thrifty traveler lore. So John and I took a trip around the world in 2019.
In six days we flew from Dallas to Doha to Oman, back to Doha, to Guang show China, and then we split up. And John. Went down to Singapore before making his way home, and I went to Japan and flew Japan Airlines first class home. But from Doha to Guang, she, we flew Qatar Airways first class. We were the only two passengers.
So among other shenanigans that we got up to, including, I think we ended up going through at least three, if not the start of a fourth bottle of Krug Champagne. That's true. On an eight hour flight, we, um, had a face-to-face candlelight, caviar dinner, which is was one of the fun. It was even funny at the time.
And looking back at the photos, it's even funnier.
I, it was just, I mean, so this was like, I mean, this was right after my first time in business class flying Q Suites from Dallas. And then we get up there on, in the first class, like Kyle said, the cabin was empty and the, the flight attendant, she's like. So these are your sleeping beds.
These are your dining beds. Like we, we could just pick and choose whatever we wanted in the cabin. Um, but I mean, yeah, Kyle, Kyle mentioned it all. It was, it was super fun. Sit there and, and have a candlelight dinner and, and drink too much of everything and then walk back to the bar on, on, uh, Qatar is, it was quite the flight for sure.
Nothing like getting mangled on an eight hour. Flight and landing in China and then having to just go transit through China to get yourself to where you need to go. I'm sure that was a very long day after that flight, but it looked really fun and I am very jealous that you two got that moment together and I wasn't there.
Maybe someday
one day, if you're lucky.
I think when we split up, I kind of looked at Kyle like, am I ever gonna see you again? Like, bye man. See you someday. Good luck. Maybe,
uh, I'm glad we got to let the listener in on that piece of thrifty traveler lore. That was a, a special, special moment. Um, thank you all so much for listening to the Thrifty Traveler Podcast.
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